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How Best to Learn NLP? | |
| Jonathan | OK folks thanks for showing up, joining the crowd and doing something to take your skills a little bit further towards what it is that you do not know you already do very well, some of the time! How many of you LEARN CERTAIN THINGS, REALLY WELL? (y/n) |
| Questor_ | hmmm |
| Stefan, Tiger-, Questor_, sigabrt | y |
| Jonathan | OK cool. |
| ORI`gami | y/n |
| Jonathan | And I bet that at the times you'd qualify as having learning something really really well, that there were certain qualities of the experience that were present at that time! Like, maybe you felt you were really at ease, or maybe you felt like you were having fun, or maybe you learned best when you put a lot of pressure on yourself, or whatever. |
| Jonathan | And it might vary from experience to experience, or not. |
| ORI`gami | feels like when you are in love |
| Jonathan | But the most important thing is, its either somewhat different or very different, for each of us & between each of us. Sometimes it does, ORI, that's a GREAT one! I like it! And I'll start from this point, and come back to it at the end, is that the best way to learn NLP -- from a 40,000 foot, Bird's Eye, BIG CHUNK point of view, is the way that is best for YOU. And I want you to pat yourself on the back, and admit that no one, not I, nor any other trainer around... KNOWS WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU. YOU ARE YOUR OWN BEST JUDGE! I and other trainers, from the best possible position, are no more than guides through material that you may not yet be familiar with... so as you learn more about NLP -- or any other subject -- I want you to do whatever it takes to dispel the myth that says you HAVE to do anything someone else's way. Can we start from there? What do you say? How do you feel about it? (let's get any initial questions out of the way). OK! Well, I guess without any questions, I'll just move forward... |
| Tranzpupy | move forward. |
| Jonathan | There are SO many things you can do to learn NLP! |
| Jonathan | The choices are obvious: (1) Training's (2) Videotapes (3) Audio Tapes (4) Books/Magazines/Websites & Articles (5) Chat rooms, Mailing Lists, USENET Newsgroups (6) PERSONAL EXPLORATION (7) Private study, memorization, etc |
| Tranzpupy | I want it ALL |
| Jonathan | and on & on. And there's the most room for growth and experimentation in (1), (6) & (7) -- in my opinion. So let's go through each of them in a slightly different order and discuss our experiences with each of them! Does this seem like a reasonable way to go forward (y/n)? The reason for asking is because this chat is about discussing the best ways to learn effective use of NLP in our lives. And each of our experiences have been/ may be different, so all these differences are where the richness of variety leads to each of our greater growth! |
| Tranzpupy | y |
| Grendal | right... I prefer a combo ;) |
| Jonathan | Well, a combo is definitely the ideal choice, Grendal! But lets deal with each one separately for the moment. Part of NLP is about modeling things that work, taking the process apart into specifics that work, then re-assembling them, so to speak, so that we know they'll work when we stop thinking about how we've changed our methods! OK! So.... Lets talk about books. |
Books, Magazines, Web sites, Articles | |
| Grendal | otay ;) |
| Jonathan | You can CERTAINLY learn passively from books, Seminar transcripts, articles, magazines, etc., about OTHER people's ideas of how NLP is supposed to work, and about tools that have worked for other people, but that's passive learning, isn't it? |
| Grendal | yep, it's a great way to get others thought..and see how they work...then make them work for you.. |
| Jonathan | And Most people read silently, and in a specific position, seated or laying down, so they often lock in those learning's into certain positions... Sure. But the moment you take the learning out into a specific situation and USE it, playing with it to see how it works... is the moment you're not learning from books anymore, right? |
| Grendal | Nope..you took an idea from the book..and ran with it.. |
| Jonathan | So, from Books, do you EVER get experiential knowledge? In my opinion, the answer is NO, but you do get a representation of other people's experiential knowledge! |
| Grendal | I agree ;) |
| Jonathan | And it may or may not fit with your map. But there's something else. Most people read silently, which uses how much of your body & how many internal rep systems (leaving out how many rep systems are hit with the vocalization). We know that people learn better when they use more of their body, and when MORE representational systems are involved. It links things in more, integrates them more! |
| Tranzpupy | I like your idea of reading out loud |
| Grendal | hmmm...Interesting and very intriguing. ;) |
| Jonathan | I don't read the newspaper or magazines out loud of course, but NLP Transcript-type books -- I do! Like: Trance-formations Reframing (old material) Using Your Brain...For A Change Frogs Into Princes |
| Tranzpupy | hmmph! Frogs into PrinCESSES, please |
| somnus | hmm |
| Jonathan | You just keep that hallucination going, Tranzpupy, feel freeeeee! OK, so, moving on -- How MANY of you enjoy learning from books? I do, I'll be the first to say so -- but they're really a small part of my study process. I'm *really* interested in getting multiple views here... what works for you? |
| Grendal | I like to get new ideas form book..and then develop them via personal research and testing... |
| somnus | I like learning from books |
| sigabrt | its different for different types of learning |
| Jonathan | Definitely, SIG, glad you mentioned that. |
| Tranzpupy | I like learning from books, and sometimes |
| somnus | For experiential things, though, like sports or NLP, I need a bit more, though |
| Jonathan | I'll focus mostly on NLP learning, here, though, SIG. |
| Tranzpupy | I can just actualize it, |
| Stefan | I think books are a good place to start, it gives you the theory. Then, to really get good at something I have to actually do it, play with it. |
| sigabrt | for intellectual learning, books are fine... for using something in the real world, books are somewhat lacking |
| Tranzpupy | and sometimes I need to see/feel it, like in a training... or chat |
| somnus | what you get from books is "head knowledge" |
| Jonathan | I'd agree. Books are a great reference, but they don't replace real-world PERSONAL experience. They can't give you your own experience, though they CAN lead your imagination into creating or revisiting incredible memories... |
| Tranzpupy | a little head knowledge is good. |
| Jonathan | Sure. |
| Grendal | right ;) |
| somnus | true |
| Jonathan | But intellectual knowledge of NLP without effective USAGE skills is little more than folly. If you can't USE it, well, its like not showing up. |
| Tranzpupy | and you USE it during a training... |
| Jonathan | OK. So Books are important, we know that. A lot of NLP knowledge can be gained by reading books, but book information by itself almost NEVER translates itself into "How do I effectively use this information, NOW" without integration using other processes!!! So... lets move on to another area of learning... |
| somnus | that's true |
Audio Tapes (now CDs & MP3s!) | |
| Jonathan | Which are GREAT because you can listen to many of them while driving, while working out... you can OPTIMIZE YOUR TIME by learning NLP as you do other things! |
| somnus | the idea is good... |
| Jonathan | And there ARE a lot of good tapes available. Almost TOO many to choose from! |
| Stefan | I you haven't got the opportunity to learn from a teacher in person, you can learn things like intonation of embedded commands. Also, the marking out of words connects the ideas in a better way IMHO |
| somnus | I don't have any NLP tapes, but audio tape learning has never worked that good for me in the past. |
| Jonathan | Bandler's Personal Enhancement set (also known as the NeuroSonics tapes) is phenomenal! |
| Tranzpupy | somnus:I used to not like learning from audio... then |
| Jonathan | And the Persuasion Engineering DVD Set is really good. |
| Tranzpupy | I just put it in the background... |
| Jonathan | Here are some others -- Michael Brooks' Instant Rapport tape version of his book is an excellent entry into NLP material, but is pretty basic about how it covers VAKOG strategies. OK. But the absolute best tapes on NLP.... that you can get anywhere... are the tapes that YOU YOURSELF CAN/WOULD make.... if you recorded your own voice reading NLP books to yourself!!! |
| Tranzpupy | kewl |
| Jonathan | And then listened to them on your own while working out or maybe walking to class or driving (for non-trance material)... Because how much of your brain/body and how many rep-systems do you then involve as you've read the book and heard your OWN voice both internally and externally? Like the idea? (y/n)? |
| Tranzpupy, Grendal, somnus | y |
| Tranzpupy | mmmm. is there any Bandler that's non-trance? |
| Jonathan | Very little of Bandler's material is non-trancy! OK, so... if you want other tape recommendations, feel free to ask me after the chat! Moving on! |
Video Tapes (now DVDs, & online video!) | |
| Jonathan | Bandler has a few new videotapes out -- recorded in London -- (1) an Evening with Richard Bandler (2 & 3) State of the Art I & II -- Bandler on NLP training. And they're AWESOME. There's a TON of old Richard Bandler videos available from various sources (I recommend you pick up whatever you can, they may not be available much longer through those sources). There's the Tony Robbins stuff, but, how far does that material really go in the training of NLP? And there are of COURSE lots of other videos available through a number of training organizations. Videos are, IMHO, better than books and better than tapes, because you get to add in your own Visual external rep-system experience, with AUDITORY external. And you can REWIND -- whereas the people who were there at the time of the filming didn't have that luxury! What videos do people recommend -- if you have any good sets? |
| Tranzpupy | no |
| Stefan | I don't have any at all. |
| Jonathan | No one else here has NLP DVD's they've enjoyed? I have several sets I enjoy; here are just a few examples: (1) Dilts: Strategies of Genius. (2) Dilts: Sleight of Mouth (3) Bandler: Bandler Doing Bandler (a hypnosis weekend training) |
| Zell | Are those DVD's you mentioned listed on the web somewhere? |
| Jonathan | Zell -- visit the Southern Institute of NLP for some of those older videos. |
| Tranzpupy | I have Sleight of Mouth, but haven't seen it all yet |
| Jonathan | yes, it takes a bit of time to get through!!! OK -- so DVD's are EXCELLENT -- but not practical always, because we can't spend our lives in front of the tube, and besides, who would want to? NLP is about experience, not, couch time! I think videos are great, though. You can set up parties with your local NLP friends, if you have any, and watch the videos together sharing what you each notice. Its a great way to learn. Which leads me into... |
Training's | |
| Jonathan | And there are so many different kinds of training's to choose from. You can do a practitioner training. You can do a master practitioner training. You can go to weekend trainings with a variety of people, covering a wide range of topics. You can attend a Presentation Skills training! And there are a LOT of other people who have used NLP to create training's under different titles than NLP-related, but still used NLP to produce the results. |
| Tranzpupy | Whoa. Explain that the result of USING NLP.... |
| Jonathan | Kevin Trudeau's Mega-Memory course and other materials -- for example -- they have infomercials... which are chock full of NLP in how they market their materials, to get you to buy their products! |
| Grendal | I bought that today ;) haha..funny ;) |
| Jonathan | But as for training's, well, its a caveat emptor market. And different training's are marketed in different ways. |
Chat Rooms, Mailing Lists, Newsgroups | |
| Tranzpupy | here we are |
| Jonathan | There's Usenet Newsgroup alt.psychology.nlp! There's the email lists NLPTALK & MINDLIST. There are other email lists as well. And then, there's here... (Editor's Sept/2001 addition: And now there's Steve Boyley's Voice Chats as well!) |
| Tranzpupy | we are! |
| Jonathan | This is an EXCELLENT TIME for people still actively monitoring this channel, for people to provide feedback on how much/little they've learned from being here, and reading the chat-logs on my web site! |
| Tranzpupy | I've read and re-read the logs & I think they are a really good way to find out what I don't know, & a pretty good way to learn new stuff. |
| Stefan | This category is one that is interactive, while books, tapes and videos are not. You can discuss so many topics, get quick feedback on ideas. |
| Jonathan | Sure! More ACTIVE participation in the learning process! Other comments? Join in folks -- this is where the chat gets GOOOOOD |
| Tranzpupy | The logs make me want to learn more... sometimes I find out something I know is something someone else didn't know... and that validates the work I have done... |
| Grendal | Chat is great...it's nice to get instant feedback and idea....similar to books in the fact that you still need to integrate them via personal exp.. |
| Jonathan | Yes |
| Stefan | And you can work together with other people to reach a common goal. Two brains are often more than the sum of its parts. That's something I believe IRC is especially good for. |
| Jonathan | What other kinds of things would people like to see covered in future chats here? |
| Tosha1 | I want to learn nlp... I just don't know how... |
| Tref | fractionation? |
| Tranzpupy | wow |
| Jonathan | Fractionation. What other topics? |
| Tranzpupy | yes. fractionalization... |
| Tref | establishing rep types with speed and accuracy |
| Grendal | hrm... |
| Tref | direct application in business? |
| Jonathan | Rapid Awareness of Rep Systems... There are lots of Business Applications, but that's a good idea... Any other good future chat topics? |
| Tref | monitoring depth of rapport? |
| Jonathan | Depth of Rapport! Now that's a GOOD ONE! OK, well, those are some good ideas. |
Personal Experience & Exploration | |
| Jonathan | I think this is almost the most important area of How Best to Learn NLP... because if you don't... commit to playing with the tools you're learning, in a focused way, make time for, structure situations in which you can use the skills, then pay attention to the responses you receive... then HOW will you ever begin the process of recognizing all the ways to integrate the use of NLP into your entire life? Because its not as though there's a separate self that studies NLP from the self which never uses it. Then you're compartmentalizing NLP away into a place where it gets stowed on the shelf. Then you're just talking about it, and whats the point? |
| Tranzpupy | I know some people who've studied it, and who I think don't use it... |
| Tref | well put... nice languaging. |
| Jonathan | But if you... FOLD IT INTO YOUR LIFE... and play with it... enjoy its use, and use it to create positive results for yourself and others... all while learning whats more effective and less effective, then... you're really beginning to build a catalog of memories where YOU'VE TRIED AND USED THE SKILLS with real people... and that's absolutely KEY, in my opinion, to being able to say you're learning how to use NLP to enhance your life, aren't you! |
| Tref | make it a part of your subConscious.. like tying your shoes, or driving your car... through extended conscious use? |
| Tosha1 | What is everyone's favorite nlp tool, something that you use in your everyday lives? I like meta-model and sleight of mouth... also criteria elicitation...but that's not nlp... |
| Jonathan | Tosha -- might you be missing the big picture? Just one tool is.. well... it could be beside the point... |
| Tosha1 | Hmm, I guess I am |
| Jonathan | I agree that you have to get concrete to move forward... but see the forest for the trees! |
| Tref | i think many get caught up in the methods, and lose the intention/attitude |
| Jonathan | If you commit to doing it, then you will, and you'll choose the specific tool at the right time for what you wish to explore further! ...Based on what you know at that time! (I agree, Tref, in some cases) |
| Tranzpupy | you have to give up something to really use NLP |
| Jonathan | Have an ABSOLUTE BLAST, first & foremost. Do it for fun, do it for learning. And DO IT! |
| Tref | what... self conciousness? |
| Tranzpupy | yeah, and self-deceit, and alot of other not-so-great things... |
| Tref | this is good.. |
| Jonathan | Whether you pick "embedded commands" to work on, or "tonality" or "softeners" in a given conversation... doesn't matter... just... as you read, listen, and train, take what you're learning and commit to using it IN YOUR EXISTING PRESENT-DAY life!!! |
| Tranzpupy | But you get a LOT in return... and I'm just beginning... |
| Tref | agreed |
| Jonathan | And bring your questions and explorations to one of the interactive environments for results discussion, etc. |
| Tranzpupy | I've been using it... |
| Stefan | And when learning NLP skills, playing with innocent guinepigs... other persons I mean, keeping track of multiple aspects is really hard, thus a good strategy would be to take one thing at a time, like having theme weeks? |
| Jonathan | It is certainly true that this is the process you undergo in a training -- you get the experiential knowledge, but not everyone can up & go to a training, even though they so often pay for themselves, -- and also, its not as if the learning ends there. Right Tranzpupy? ;) |
| Tref | i am a little concerend about the "subjects" upon which we train... is there any chance of damage to them? |
| Jonathan | I suggest FLASH CARDS, STEFAN! |
| ORI`gami | of course |
| Tranzpupy | absolutely right. I started *really* learning after the training, and I had left the training thinking I knew it all (grin) |
| Jonathan | Create flash-cards of each of the skills you learn, and flip through them periodically. Choose one card to play with for each day or each conversation. As far as damage... Tref... NLP should NEVER HURT! NLP is about creating MORE options for everyone, not less options, and not ONLY your options. |
| Tref | yes... changes that do not really enhance, through ineffective intallation, or misundrestanding. |
| Stefan | I borrowed a Zebu deck. |
| Tranzpupy | be careful. We are responsible for the people we NLP |
| Tref | kinda like an "accidental" post-hypnotic suggestion |
| Jonathan | Its NOT about control, its about influence. The moment you ASSUME or mind-read that it always works... is the moment it doesn't and you have to laugh about it, or you'll get waaaay too serious! And seriousness is one of these things that gets out of hand, so.... never mind about that... (yes, tref) |
| Tosha1 | NLP should never hurt whom? |
| Tref | o-kay.. |
| Jonathan | ANYONE, Tosha! For that question to arise presupposes a win-lose philosophy! |
| Tref | never hurt anyone.. |
| Tosha1 | why not? |
| Stefan | Tosha: Our training subjects. Be responsible, create win/win outcomes. |
| Jonathan | sooooo... I suggest remembering that if you're using NLP with people, and you find your skills of influence going through the roof, remember that people under your influence are under your protection. |
| Tranzpupy | I'm interested in what you think should and should not be memorized |
| Jonathan | Can you be more specific in your question? |
| Tranzpupy | sure. What should be memorized? patterns? jargon? |
| Stefan | Me and a friend of mine found that instead of learning patterns like "People can, Tranzpupy, {command here}" it was much more flexible to learn a set of "milton words" |
| Tranzpupy | yeah, that's what I meant... |
| Stefan | By that I mean: Awareness words: Aware, realize, know. Adverbs: Simple, easy, deeply.Nominalization : Smile, Love, Communication, calmness. Etc. |
| Tranzpupy | ok |
| Tosha1 | 18 most powerful words... |
| Jonathan | Patterns are good for study. But I don't like patterns for real live conversational flow. I do study the flexible use of specific word patterns, though. |
| Stefan | Then you pick a few of each category, and voila, you have a cool sentence. |
| Tranzpupy | well, you mentioned memorization at the top. |
| Jonathan | True, I did. |
| Tranzpupy | example, please? I wondered what to memorize. |
| Jonathan | What's it like when... People... become aware... of the passing flow of time? How can someone just... begin to recognize how when things... slow down... then... one can... discover something of importance... |
| Tranzpupy | oh. Thanks |
| Jonathan | I might memorize the different pieces, and then use a variety of different pieces within an overall flow of language designed to get a certain effect.. |
| Tranzpupy | so a piece is "of the passing flow of time"? |
| Jonathan | a VERY certain effect. If I want an uncertain effect, I might use different patterns, and you may know what I'm talking about |
| Stefan | Ok, I have a few examples written down (in Swedish, will translate). Luckily, you might already feel how, a smiling naturally starts to emerge, even before we have continued to learn each other. |
| Jonathan | Become aware... of... [text block] whatever. |
| Tranzpupy | the whole text block? |
| Jonathan | Stefan -- that had some nice pacing & leading fragments all wrapped up together... with time distortion as well. |
| Tref | short.. then more pattern language.. |
| Stefan | And that is mostly due to that, fortunately communication starts even before you are aware of it... And on and on... It was just an example of language patterns, nothing to TAKE SERIOUSLY ;) |
Private Study | |
| Jonathan | Now... for the integration of all of the above... |
| Jonathan | remember what I said in the beginning? |
| Tosha1 | it's not a tool ... its a lifestyle! |
| Jonathan | I mentioned at the top, that above all, what works for you may be different than what works for someone else! |
| Tref | agreed.. awareness and communication start BEFORE you are conscious of it. |
| Jonathan | So I want to start and stop from the place which validates the quality and the importance of our own experiences! I remember as I was learning NLP that early on, I felt ineffective with many of the skills, and there are still times when that happens. What did you do when you felt ineffective? But as you learn from others, if you're lucky to find trainers who will encourage self-sufficiency, remember that they do not "give" you these magical skills, ideally, they structure a learning environment wherein you get to learn it all on your own, in terms of your own experiential capabilities. |
| Tranzpupy | well said |
| Jonathan | Its not something that can be given, in a way that automatically integrates with your behavior. Only by learning it yourself, and taking the responsibility for a lot of the learning, can you also -maintain the self-respect that comes from developing your own mastery with it all... So I want you to explore all of the above methods if you can. Try them all on yourself... CATALOG the responses and effectiveness of each method of learning... maximize your productivity and time... |
| Tranzpupy | there's that journal again |
| Jonathan | Work the process of discovering mastery inside yourself... into your daily schedule if you can, and stay in touch with other students to help each other progress towards your goal of developing skills mastery. Above all, celebrate... YOURSELF! |
| Tref | kinda like magick and a book of shadows.. |
| Tranzpupy | I like that part. |
| Jonathan | {clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap} ...standing to applaud all of you... |
| Tref | standing "O" OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| Tranzpupy | {loud applause for Jonathan -- and for all of us} |
| Jonathan | Thanks! I hope you enjoyed all of the material we covered tonight! |
| Stefan | And at some point, even thought the road to understanding might be confusing sometimes, when that catalog is big enough for a certain technique, you have mastered that technique. my applause to Jonathan as well. Hmm, I think that might be a good motivating way to think about it. |
| Jonathan | OK -- thanks to everyone for coming, again... this was a fun one! I'll schedule another chat soon -- probably with one of the topics we tossed about earlier tonight! |
IRC CHAT OVER! | |
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Andy SmithTrainer of NLP & Appreciative Inquiry, Coaching Leaders, Manchester UK & FranceAttended Course : Belief Craft Seminar"I have attended separate KE & [SoM] trainings in the past, Belief Craft is definitely more than the sum of its parts. Doug's way of training [SoM] is the best I have found; for the first time I now feel I 'get' the "why" as well as the "how" of [SoM]. On my NLP Trainer's Training, [SoM] was one of the areas people had the least recall of - both the 'how' and also when and why you would ever use it. Previous trainings of [SoM] I have attended by other trainers have not sufficiently demonstrated... etc. Jonathan gets better every time he trains KE - awesomely powerful and complex concepts are rendered easy to learn and apply in the real world. I can't wait to start trying out this new material (Belief Craft and/or KE on its own) to benefit myself and my clients."
http://www.coachingleaders.co.uk/2005- Donna McGeorgeSpeaker, Facilitator, People with PEP,Hired Coaching : Personal Coaching
On the 2 occasions that you have coached me, I have experienced what I assumed to be metaphor sessions. I'm not totally conscious of the process or content of the sessions, yet the results I have had from both sessions are as follows: Session 1 - desired outcome - "get some focus and direction for moving forward given that I'd achieved a lot of what I set out to. What's next?". Whatever you did, my business increased by over 30% in revenues following the session. My focus changed, and I implemented the "Donna the Diva" project, which has resulted in my getting my mojo back, and being way more confident in my skin and clear about what I'm good at. This has also resulted in my "sacking" 2 clients that didn't fit my vision for myself, and for PEP. Again, I'm not sure that I'm consciously aware of what I was doing differently - all I know is that a shift happened, and the result was useful (to say the least). Session 2 - desired outcome - "I'm earning more money than I ever had, and I am swimming in debt - help?! ". Again, I know we talked about a bunch of strategies and I'm clear they also were metaphors. I think our session was about 8 weeks ago? Well, since then - I have cleared all my creditors, and have over $25K in a personal bank account (something that has NEVER happened before). Steve and I are currently shopping for property, and I'm no longer afraid to answer the phone for fear of speaking to a creditor. The physical manifestation of this is that I used to have a folder that was nearly 1.5 inches thick full of bills and accounts. It is currently about an eighth of an inch thick - and these are all less than 30 days. So - that's a pretty literal description of my results of working with you, and I am most grateful to you, and look forward to further coaching. I am happy for you to use any of the above. None of it is a secret - I tell anyone who cares to listen about the results I get following your sessions.
http://www.peoplewithpep.com.au/2007 - Peter FreethLondon, UKAttended Course : Belief Craft MP3 Set
Less than 5 hours after the end of Jonathan's KE course in London I'm visualising extensive and complex belief systems hidden within language - and keeping up a 'full time' conversation at the same time. Why is this useful? In the past I may have gotten to a strategy and thought 'I'm done' whereas now I hear and see the whole complex structure. Key decision points and` behaviours are emerging which are many times more complete, powerful and elegant than anything I would have arrived at previously through standard 'strategy elicitation'. Before today, I knew people who I thought were complex, now I know that they're no more complex than anyone else, they just hide their beliefs better. This means that I know that I can now choose to work with everybody rather than just the 'easy people'. I am now creating subtle and elegant interventions without thinking about it and I know how much that is going to benefit me more and more over time. And I had a great time too!
2003 - UstahiKosovoBought Audio : Knowledge Engineering
My life is really getting even more interesting, just now I finished listening one more piece of puzzle I've been missing - how to track beliefs. My belief about beliefs is that they're life itself. So why not learn everything about them? If you want a precise model of how to do it and get to know people's circuits then Knowledge Engineering is the course to study and put in immediate use. I'm soon going to become Telecoms/Computers engineer and Jonathans experience as AI expert really got me in a new world of possibilites. I'm thinking about how to use it in all the directions in my life. As a guaranteed side benefit from the course is also opening your ears and listening to what people tell you. I'm really finding this a true must skill one should have. I'd like to thank Jonathan for his way of putting the model and for his genuine interest in his customers.
2002 - Michael ChristonNLP Trainer & Entrepreneur, Edinburgh, ScotlandAttended Course : Linguistic Wizardry
Linguistic Wizardry is a 3-day course which can be attended by non-NLP, Practitioners, Master Practitioners and Trainers... and all will enjoy and learn from the experience. Not only does Jonathan demonstrate an incredible understanding and proficiency in linguistics but presents/trains in a very entertaining and effective manner. As a trainer of NLP I still enjoy attending training (there is always something to be learnt) - on such occasions I have a professional interest in what outcomes are achieved by the trainer. It is on this point that Jonathan stands out a mile in comparison to many trainers in the field of NLP... EVERYONE in the room dramatically improved their skill level. In my experience I have never come across such success... and I have trained with many 'great' names. As for the content - This course is not an indepth exploration of the Meta Model or Milton Model, though there are a few references through the three days. Instead this programme quite rightly concentrates on the basis and delivery of communication with specific emphasis on state and sensory acuity. Hence - If you were wondering why your 'theoretical' or academic understanding of language has not achieved the desired practical results - THIS IS THE COURSE FOR YOU. Jonathan is amazing and definitely deserves to be considered as one of the best NLP trainers in the world. And interestingly - he is without ego or arrogance and is (for me) one of the easiest trainers to chat with I have ever met. If you have not already done so - TRAIN WITH JONATHAN and discover just how much further you can take your NLP skills.
2007 - Howard WolfMiami, FLAttended Course : Persuasion Summit
PTPS was absolutely the best training in persuasion I've ever experienced. Chris' skills in NLP and persuasion are a compilation of the best of Richard Bandler, Kenrick Cleveland, & Michael Hall, all combined. Chris has evolved these techniques, enhanced them, and repackaged persuasion for the new millenium. Chris has tested his techniques thousands of times through the thousands of telemarketers he's managed over the years. This seminar will go down in the annuls of NLP history.
2001 - Brian TracySpeaker, Author, World-Renowned Business Expert, Brian Tracy International,Bought Audio : Finding Your Irresistible Voice
"This is a wonderful program that will give you a powerful, authoritative voice. It can change your life."
http://briantracy.com/2000