Recently, on social media, an NLP Practitioner asked a question about a client who reported having a phobia, and with whom he used the NLP Fast Phobia Cure, which may have partly worked, but it came back a few days later?
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| Jonathan | Alrighty folks... thanks for joining in! |
| anakin | ok |
| Jonathan | Are we ready to start? (y/n) |
| anakin, Roy_Kirk, msjill, Occum | y |
| Jonathan | It alllll started years ago... but for me it started more recently than that... because I was first exposed to NLP (UNknowingly) by watching Tony Robbins infomercials. And I thought to myself... "they're DOING something with me... and I'm not sure what... but its VERY influential..." And when I first actually heard of NLP, and found that it involved learning language patterns for persuasion, etc., I thought... maybe this has something to do with those infomercials I was seeing.... so when I first decided to learn NLP it was because I wanted to ARM myself against the growing use of these same patterns in advertising all around us. For info on NLP and advertising, there's another chat up on the website. But really, I started out learning NLP BECAUSE I wanted to prevent the use of the patterns on my, without my knowledge. I had no idea there was so much more to explore and learn in NLP about improving my life, improving the lives of people around me... being more influential in sales etc.... and I had no idea that there was so much more to explore. Rapport... for example. Charisma.... ohhhh... CHARISMA.... in a big way! Health... congruency in goals... clearing away uncertainty and confusion... wow. |
| anakin | How do rapport and charisma differ? IMHO they seem the same. |
| Jonathan | Charisma, in my opinion, is about the natural magnetic energy you give off to people.... rapport is something you share to some degree... with 1 or more other people. You can be charismatic... without anyone else around. ;) |
| anakin | high energy? |
| Jonathan | But to be in rapport... aside from being in rapport with yourself ;) you have to be in rapport with someone or something else. It can be high energy, yes. (let me continue!) |
| anakin | ok |
| Jonathan | Now. So there are ALL these different area of life that NLP can help us with... and the question is... with all of these areas to explore... how do we begin to choose in what direction to explore NLP skills? There are those here who want to do healing work. There are those here who want to boost their sales. Other areas of NLP exploration include... as was mentioned... spirituality, congruency, normal conversations with just about anyone.... politics, law, etc etc etc AD INFINITUM! This goes on & on & on.... |
| Jonathan | Yes, Occum, because we can never learn it ALLLLL.... |
| Roy_Kirk | I'm jumping out of my chair yelling, "YES! YES! I WANT IT ALL!" |
| Roy_Kirk | doh! |
| Jonathan | But even though we'll never get through it ALLLLl, and that includes trainers, by the way ;) we can ALWAYS pursue more of what we want. and you can learn general things about all of the above by taking a practitioner course. But some people don't have the time or money to spare. Personally I think the people that really want a lot of the above can't afford to not spare the time & money. But thats a separate issue! What about PRODUCTS? What kinds of things are available for us to buy, etc., in order to help us learn more NLP? Because even if you do go to a training, typically you'll want to have some books to read... some tapes to listen to... some videos to watch... etc. Now. There are a LOT of trainers out there -- Who have created some great tapes & such... and Master Practitioners who have USED NLP to create packaged methodologies... modeled from experts (Think of the Mega-Memory course.) |
| msjill | is it economical to go to a trainer? |
| Jonathan | Jill, based on what most people get from a great trainer, yes, I think so. But a select few people go back to their normal everyday patterns and don't use what they learn. So. It's caveat emptor - buyer beware, and, you have to take responsibility for your own learning too. Yes, it is economical to go to a trainer. Nothing else is as experiential. And it is the fastest way to experientially learn the skills. Before I continue.... lets open up a debate or discussion (brief) on the kinds of products you all already may have purchased... and when you do... give a BRIEF description of the content and your review of the products. Give product/tape name, author/trainer's name, quick description of content, & your evaluation of quality! |
| Occum | Well so far all I have are Tony Robbins books: "Awaken the Giant Within", and "Unlimited Power." While I think their not a bad overview and primer I've heard that there is a lot better, and more specific stuff out there. |
| Jonathan | Bandler's "NeuroSonics" Personal Enhancement Series is available on 6 Cassettes for $130, or 6 CD's for $160. |
| Roy_Kirk | I have bought and read many books, but esp. if you are reading it in a book, you need someone to practise on, which I find hard to find...example: I don't know many people who ask me to cure their phobias...I also don't know anyone that would be comfortable while I try to hypnotize them (Transformations) |
| Jonathan | Very true Roy. Thats why NLP study groups in your area can be REALLY helpful, if you can set them up! |
| anakin | Kenrick Cleveland's Maximum Persuasion has impressed me. It focuses on the business aspects of NLP. Covering the basics of rapport, criteria elicitation, NLP embedded commands and some basic logic techniques. |
| Roy_Kirk | not a bad idea! |
| Jonathan | Others? |
| Roy_Kirk | Yeah, thats the ticket! Thanks Jon! |
| Roy_Kirk | May I ask a question about the Bandler recordings? |
| Jonathan | Occum -- Yes, Tony's books are great primers, no doubt about it. Sure, Roy! |
| msjill | Everyone knows of Bandler, does he offer stuff in this field? |
| Jonathan | Bandler & La Valle's Persuasion Engineering tapes are EXCELLENT. |
| anakin | I read the Persuasion Engineering book but it didn't give enough exercises. |
| Jonathan | Jill - Bandler is one of NLP's co-founders. |
| anakin | For me at least. |
| Roy_Kirk | I plan on getting PE, but I was wondering, you hear rumors about Bandler teaching everything indirectly, speaking just to the subconcious mind...is that true? And does he use that technique in his tapes? |
| Wild1 | Get the tapes they will teach you more about language that you will ever believe |
| Jonathan | Yes, Roy, absolutely. He just tells stories that seem to oooze together ;) |
| Occum | Jill, Bandler is on of the founders of NLP, and he continues to be one of the innovaters. |
| Roy_Kirk | That amazes me. |
| Wild1 | Each time I listen to the Persuasion Engineering tapes I learn someting new |
| Jonathan | Anakin -- the book didn't give enough exercises ;) that may be true... the Persuasion Engineering tapes go into a LOT more detail and tell a lot more stories! |
| Occum | Well Anakin, I havent bought his course yet, but what I've grabbed off the web has been phenomenal. |
| anakin | True |
| Roy_Kirk | Anakin: I haven't heard it either, but I know many people who swear by Kenrick. I was in a conference call with him, also. Twas damn good and educational. |
| Occum | I would like to get some of Dilts stuff. |
| Jonathan | Well, word has it that his material is strong in the persuasion area. But I don't know his material. Surrounding the topic of Kenrick I have often heard veiled comments about a checkered past. As of today, I've met him online just once, and he seemed eager to be up-front and to rebuild his reputation. If anyone has questions about him, I think if they're going to direct those questions to other people, then they should also ask him directly, rather than only spreading rumors. And as you say, Anakin, you really enjoy his work and there are others who have said the same thing. Apart from those comments (hopefully balanced), I know very little about his work. |
| anakin | But it seemed to be presented in a very straight forward manner. You really begin to become aware of how naturally you can persuade now.;) |
| Occum | Strategies of genius, and Sleight of mouth. |
| Wild1 | I saw Dilts in Jan. |
| Jonathan | ok ok anakin -- what you may not know -- is that Milton Model patterns don't go over very well in chatrooms ;) except for having fun. |
| Wild1 | I can tell you that he is so smooth |
| anakin | hahaha |
| Jonathan | I haven't seen him in person but I have a lot of Dilts videos and he IS smooth. |
| Wild1 | You would never guess he is using loops at all |
| Jonathan | His intent is usually more obvious, as well. |
| Jonathan | His direction is pretty clear. |
| anakin | dilt's web site is pretty cool. |
| Occum | What about NLP stuff focusing on Education, Teaching, and Learning, whats good out there? |
| Jonathan | GOOD question. The book Dynamic Learning is quite good. Dilts & Epstein. |
| Roy_Kirk | Yes. I know a couple school teachers and I would love to point them in the direction of NLP to help them. |
| Jonathan | And there's a lot of alternative education stuff out there on body kinesthetics.... ideal learning strategies, while most of the NLPers studying that seem to be exploring these alternative ideas put forth by others. |
| Occum | I'm into Win Wengers stuff, he's not NLP but some of the parallels between his methods and some NLP stuff out there on Education is spooky. |
| anakin | Win stuff is great. |
| Jonathan | There is NOT a lot of information, for example, on using Nested Loops in a traditional educational environment. There's a niche subject market, in case anyone wants to write about it.... Yes, Occum , I'd agree. |
| Occum | Or even just NLP strategies in general. |
| Jonathan | Alright. Let's focus a little here! OK..... As in... For Specifically TAPES. There are tapes for introducing (for everyone)... NLP.... And there are advanced tapes. And there are intermediate tapes. Let's start with some INTRODUCTION type material on cassette! |
| Occum | Now I wanna know about this. 8-) |
| Jonathan | I found Instant Rapport (Michael Brooks) on cassette to be a good FIRST introduction to using some NLP tools. The book provides a lot more, but that one's a good intro. So what tapes did you first listen to you that gave you a real feel for what you were learning? (never mind the VAKOG presups there ;) No one can remember the first introductory tapes they listened to? What about NLP Comp's "Success Mastery with NLP" |
| Roy_Kirk | I'm still saving up to buy my 1st tape set. |
| Occum | Well I've never listened to any yet. |
| Wild1 | Mine where the N-sonics |
| Jonathan | There's a 6-tape set.... from Robert MacDonald and Charles Faulkner.... |
| Wild1 | Turned me inside out |
| Jonathan | which is really quite good... and they took 2 of those tape sides and made a single tape that you can get in any Borders or Barnes & Noble. |
| Occum | Though I thought about getting the DHE tapes, but then their not really intorductory. |
| anakin | I bought a NLP course from Nightingale Covent and did't really like it. |
| Jonathan | I know because I bought the single tape from -- yes -- Nightingale Conant -- |
| anakin | I didn't understand it. |
| Wild1 | DHE is ONLY for the advanced student. They would go over a beginners head |
| Jonathan | and then found out there were other tapes as part of the same series |
| Occum | No I'm aware of that. |
| Jonathan | I'd agree, Wild1. OK. So lets move into intermediate level tapes or tape-series. And this can include Practitioner tapes. |
| Roy_Kirk | wait, Jon, I have a question |
| Jonathan | Yes Roy? |
| Occum | Problem is I'm not sure what level I'm on right now. |
| Roy_Kirk | Can you reccommend a good way for us to gague ourselves? YES Occum! |
| Wild1 | Good question |
| anakin | I already gave a strong rec for NLP Home Sudy Course. |
| Roy_Kirk | Should I buy the beginner or intermediate stuff? How can we tell? |
| Occum | Yes. Or is it guess work? |
| Jonathan | I think 1 or 2 beginner products at the $10-$20 range is a good way to tell if its REALLY easy material, or if you need the material at that level at first. And its not a heavy investment. Just my $0.02. |
| Occum | Ok like my Robbins books? |
| Jonathan | Sure. Only, and I'll preface this by saying that while Robbins' books are good primers... I think they're a little verbose. |
| Occum | Oh yes I know what you mean. |
| Jonathan | I think the material can be presented in much more depth much more quickly. |
| anakin | What about Robbins tape course, I can;t remember what the name of it is though. |
| Jonathan | Personally, I think those tapes are GREAT for motivation. Tony is "Mr. Motivation." ;) |
| Wild1 | Robbins has a pretty limited model of NLP |
| Jonathan | If you want real concrete skills and behavioral understanding, go elsewhere. |
| Occum | Ok so where should I go from there Jon? |
| Jonathan | Occum -- you can go from there to Intermediate level material. Which can - in my opinion - include Practitioner courses or tapes. Get John's tapes! |
| Occum | So where should a person go to get to the next level Jon, intermediate? |
| Sandworm | Occum... One book I read that really made NLP useful and applicable for me...more than any other single book...was "Phoenix: The Therapeutic Patterns of Milton Erickson" by David Gordon -- That book is NOT about hypnosis or NLP, as such.. |
| Jonathan | That's a GREAT book. |
| Occum | Is it broad at all? Or narrow? |
| anakin | Better than Transformations or Patterns 1 and 2? |
| Sandworm | But because it looks at how Erickson thought about changing people..and MOST importantly, what his "algorithms" were for personal change work... it SKYROCKETED my ability understand what all the various NLP tools were AIMED at and how to use them in concert in a structured way! Anakin:Broader..more focused on algorithms rather than specific pieces of language. |
| Jonathan | Integration in a book, as it were.... |
| Sandworm | Yes, Jonathan just nailed it -- exactly correct! |
| anakin | OK, thanks:) |
| Wild1 | Transformations... Using your Brain For a Change ...Great Books |
| Jonathan | Tranceformations is a GREAT book. And yes, Using Your Brain for a Change is the first seminar book on the use of SubModalities. |
| Occum | Yeah I had thought about jumping to B&G books. |
| Jonathan | I think of beginner level stuff... as products that give you some knowledge of a few concrete skills... and anything mid-level as being something that integrates and builds on basic skills. |
| Wild1 | Heart of The mind is a great book of specific techniques |
| msjill | Are there any simple books out there that explain NLP in common terms |
| Jonathan | Yes Jill -- start with " introducing NLP " by Joseph O'Connor. Or, "Principles of NLP" by O'Connor et al -- (publisher Thorsons). Joseph & I email occasionally, plus we share weblinks to each other. He makes some complex NLP ideas quite simple. He's worth reading. |
| msjill | Thanks, Jon |
| Jonathan | Sure. And Jill, we mentioned Instant Rapport as well, before. thats another good place to start. Another set of books that tends to be downplayed -- that I'd put in the intermediate range... are some of the books by people or about people that Bandler & Grinder modeled when they did Structure of Magic... Examples: Satir: the Patterns of her Magic, Uncommon Therapy - Jay Haley (about Milton Erickson), and some others. Some of this material is veryyyy boring... some absolutely gripping. Uncommon therapy is an amazing book (to me). Persuasion Engineering is... not what I'd call introductory NLP material... but it's an excellent example of the kinds of language patterns that can be used to influence and motivate. Hypnotic Realities I think was Milton Erickson, wasn't it? Wisdom of Erickson was written by Havens, I believe. Let's talk videos! The best Bandler videos available today are the series of tapes recorded in the UK in 1997... called... STATE OF THE ART. They run $100 for the pair, or $60 per tape. And... An Evening With Dr. Bandler. |
| Sandworm | For my money...the Hypnosis in Munich audiotapes are Richard in top form! He sizzles! Highly recommended. |
| Jonathan | Definitely amongst the best. |
| Occum | I havent bought any of it yet, but what I've seen on the net is impressive. |
| Jonathan | I wanna do something politically incorrect and praise something that comes out of the NLP comprehensive camp. I find that which comes from trainer Charles Faulkner to be very accessible material... and ethically balanced. He doesn't get lost in language patterns. He seems to have a clear grasp of the use of Metaphor and even has some good tapes out on metaphor. So look out for his name if you want to. Dat makes sense? |
| Roy_Kirk | I'm nodding. |
| Jonathan | Now... Here's the amazing part -- the advanced part... There are some very advanced NLP products out there. Some products that are... outside the easy reach of the beginning NLP'er. And there are other advanced products out there. |
| Occum | Like DHE™ tapes. |
| Jonathan | Dilts has recorded some tapes on the SYNTAX of Anchoring, etc. By syntax I mean, how anchors are or are not effective -- what makes them diminish over time... etc. Works that take one area of intense study and go beyond mastery with those topics. Eventually. Eventually... after you've reached a certain level of mastery with NLP Techniques and skills and attitudes.... Eventually... you start to hear/read things that are NOT relevant to NLP... and you start fitting them into an NLP context. When you have the tools to begin to do that... then the lines between NLP in life and other-than-NLP begin to blur. |
| tranzpupy | I'm doing that *now* -- and I ain't got to mastery yet... |
| Jonathan | You take your modeling skills, and in partially vague fashion... you start to do more of the process of paying closer attention to what works... and discarding what doesn't. You start to become more aware of how everything you do/explore adjusts your state. Eventually... everything you explore becomes advanced NLP material. Does that make any sense? |
| sunev | It does to me |
| CarlosS | What do you think of the Syntax of Behavior tapes by Robert Dilts |
| Jonathan | I haven't heard them Carlos! haven't heard/read it all yet! I probably never will, because excellent people in this field... are constantly coming out with new material. |
| sunev | So what have you heard *about* them? |
| Jonathan | I've heard they're quite good. That they explore things in a way that hasn't been done before, i.e., the material is... innovatively unraveled. |
| sunev | OK I thought meta-modeling was kind of tough at first. Coz I got hung up on terms and stuff. |
| Jonathan | There are two series out if I'm not mistaken. Syntax of Behavior series 1 & 2. And the 1st series has... (best recollection) 4 volumes. And the 2nd series has... 2 I think. Do you know what "Syntax" means as a word? |
| sunev | What exactly does Dilts mean by syntax of behavior? yes, it has to do with how you structure language? |
| Jonathan | yes. So they're talking about the Structure, or the Grammar, of behavior. Now... the title... "Syntax of Behavior"... is just a title. It's chunked up. ;) The volumes themselves are more detailed, like... States & Strategies (hope I recall this right), Anchoring -- the Oldest NLP Mystery, Belief Systems, Batesonian Model for Investigation (thats' Series I). Series 2 is "Tools for Mind Mastery" & "Generative Personality". |
| sunev | Are you saying anchoring is the oldest NLP mystery, or am i missing out on something? |
| Jonathan | And again, I haven't heard them. I'm not saying anything with respect to these tapes, other than ... that I have secondary information in support of the material. Alright. |
| sunev | I love a good mystery! |
| Jonathan | So that's basically all I have to offer on those tapes (which ain't much). You can get ALL of those tapes directly through Metamorphous Press (or through me, since I'm a reseller thru them). Now... I promised a couple of attendees here that I would talk about choosing a trainer. Is that something that would interest the group? Or do you want to talk more about products? |
| tranzpupy | Easy, just pick Jonathan |
| sunev | Yeah! |
| Jonathan | LOL |
| Roy_Kirk, B_Bishop, Admiral16 | yes |
| Roy_Kirk | OK Jon...what is a good way to research a trainer and make sure that he is what you are looking for and will be a value for the money? |
| Jonathan | I'd start with these steps: Hit the web. explore their website if they have one, see what they write about, what people are saying about them. Find out if there are good reports. Find out if there are any complaints floating around. Get a sense of their skill level and their experience and their ethics, if you can. Go to other websites like the NLP Information Center, Stever Robbins' NLP & DHE™ General Information Server [2/2003 comment added: now run by Eric Rudnick] and read their reviews there. Choose a couple of trainers that you like and begin to compare details about their trainings. Cost, location, secondary costs. Time involved. etc. |
| Roy_Kirk | I'm nodding. |
| Jonathan | so.... once you've done some comparison shopping, you should have a good balanced choice to be confident about. But even then.... sometimes, its just not enough to convince you that spending literally several thousand dollars (overall, everything included), is worth it. So... thats why some trainers (myself included) do shorter term trainings. |
| Roy_Kirk | yes, I see |
| Jonathan | Kind of like an easy way to meet your trainer and get a sense of what they can do for you, & with you. My Practitioner trainings are small -- 10 people max at this time. |
| tranzpupy | Jonathan is great... And he keeps getting better... and better |
| Jonathan | What other trainer-choice questions do you have that I might answer? (I'm trying to answer in as unbiased terms that I can, i.e, not just relative to me). |
| Roy_Kirk | That was good Jon, thanks! You did a good job of it, too. |
| Jonathan | Ah, thanks! |
| anakin | Jon, are you teaching master prac? |
| Jonathan | Yes, I do train Master Practitioners. |
| tranzpupy | and I will be there... I hope... |
| MichaelG | What kind of things would make a good short training to take? |
| Jonathan | I train triplets of 1-day rapid skills-builders trainings over a weekend. Great for people both new to NLP and Master Pracs alike. I kind of fell upon the format by lucky accident. I've done these 1-day events where people get a lot regardless of their background. |
| sunev | How did you arrive at the format? |
| Jonathan | I did it by learning the hard way how to build an NLP seminar business. As someone who -- last Summer, was quite new to this -- I had to find a way to get market exposure and student recommendations fast. The ONLY way to do that was to start doing a lot of short-term 1-day or evening events. More people will come to those. And I was doing a LOT of 1-day events. I got pretty good at em. Eventually I started adding in handouts. So... day 2 of those 3 day events has language pattern handouts. |
| tranzpupy | If you take his prac training, forget dinner.. He makes you give him presents! |
| Jonathan | LOL tranz ;) |
| anakin | haha |
| Jonathan | Well, I think everyone should have presence. Now. I use the nature of the 1-day events (short term, little time) to be very overt with leading people through rapid exercises. But as I do... it becomes clear to me anyway who's more experienced and who isn't. And using nonverbal communication methods, as I scan the room during the exercises, I'll make eye contact and suggest the NEXT thing that the person can add into what they're doing. So experienced people can go beyond the normal framework of the exercises... and newbies get to get a sense of how it all works. Everyone benefits.... and I keep everyone on their toes. The other thing is... in wanting to gain a reputation as a trainer quickly, I decided, SCREW giving little pieces one at a time, I started throwing ALL KINDS of kewl stuff at my students... I figured each of them would get some of it... and that "some" is always different from one person to the next. So I use multi-channel communication. |
| tranzpupy | he does, too |
| Jonathan | With me so far? |
| anakin | Total immersion, sink or swim works well. |
| tranzpupy | I asked him when we were going to learn something -- this was about the third week. He said we'd already done it... and we had... |
| Jonathan | I disallow sinking at my trainings ;) If installation doesn't work, I'll walk you through it ;) |
| sunev | I like going for walks! |
| Jonathan | Tranzpupy -- 3rd week? in a 13-day training? |
| tranzpupy | Yeah, you gave us eight weeks worth in 13 days... you are *really* good... |
| sunev | Interesting bit of time distortion |
| Jonathan | My style is a combination of 3 things. (1) Installation. Thank you, Richard. (2) Conscious description. I *want* you to have a handle on the material. And lastly, (3) EXPERIENTIAL learning. |
| anakin | What is the best way to prepare for a training? |
| Jonathan | Differs from trainer to trainer. Follow your trainer's suggestions for their training. I customize my reading lists for each person who signs up for my events. Based on what they've already read and based on what they each want to gain. |
| anakin | Thanks Jonathon, I gotta go. |
| sunev | You never did tell about the dual voice thing |
| Jonathan | The dual-tone voice is a voice trick I modeled from a combination of things. (1) Mind Machines Dual-Binaural Beats (2) Double-Inductions as a way to distract and induce trance If you can learn to produce two distinctly separate tones in your voice, and begin to modulate each one separately... it has the same results as (1) and (2) above. It induces a light trance, plus it sounds MAGNETIC. The dual-tone voice thing is side 4 of a 2-cassette series I've been working on for a while. And am looking forward to finishing. the set is called "Find Your Irresistable Voice." It helps that I've had some formal voice training -- I used to be in a choir in NYC -- sang in Lincoln Center a few times and all around the city. |
| sunev | I used to date a guy who could make a cricket sounds and a flying saucer noise at the same time. does that count? |
| Jonathan | Yes, venus, that counts. Also if you can stand on one leg, bark like a dog and do cross-crawling exercises (concurrently....) you get double-points. |
| sunev | Concurrently? that's too hard ;-( |
| Jonathan | I actually give you 47 exercises to do -- to be more aware of HOW your mouth, throat and chest produce sounds. |
| sunev | Cool |
| Jonathan | They sound funny ;) So your friends will think your nuts. I think any NLP tape worth its salt should make your friends think your nuts. LOL |
| sunev | Agreed! LOL |
| tranzpupy | too late... |
| Jonathan | Thanks for coming! |
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After reviewing your CDs I started realising how applicable it was in creating a new improved voice range. I realised that with very little effort people were listening attentively to me, even in crowded places and in places where machinery is constantly running. My workmates noticed it too, dropping comments as to how 'agreeable' it was to listen to my opinions, and how much more rapport was noticeable! My new girlfriend also refers to my voice as to one of my good qualities, which -- in combination with my other NLP techniques -- makes for my voice a seductive weapon of choice. I am recommending it to my friends. Thanks!
2004 - Chris ArellanoNorth CarolinaAttended Course : NLP Practitioner Training
Through this experience, I've gathered many things that I did not have before. I am able to see things, and see them from new perspectives. I have learned and am still learning how to improve both myself as well as those with whom I come in contact. Things I have just described are somewhat vague in description yet very profound to me. I owe much of this trance-formation to Jon for providing the tools and facilitating the use of these new tools in a positive direction. Thank you.
1998 - Chris FialaMarketing Consultant, Clearwater, FLAttended Course : Speaking Ingeniously
"I very much enjoyed your seminar. Having more comfort when I talk with people makes the rapport deeper. Even though my demo is only 90 seconds, I hold longer eye contact with more potential customers, building a sense of connection. Result? Sales of my juicer product increased 30%." -
- Andrew JoyPrincipal French Horn, Cologne Radio Orchestra, Cologne, GermanyBought Audio : Finding Your Irresistible Voice
Your CDs arrived safe and sound. I've listened to the first two and worked on the exercises. I'm a 55 year young, professional principal french horn player and have been working in a top German symphony orchestra for the past 30 years. I listened to the bonus telephone interview today. I am blown away. The results, applying your voice exercises to my playing (and to my students) are phenomenal. Resonance plays a huge role in performing on a brass instrument and very few poeple understand much about it. I've picked up useful and practical information, from singers and voice coaches, that I've been able to adapt to brass playing. Explaining resonance is now easy using your nose, mouth, throat etc, approach. The killer though, is using double resonance. I have free at present and don't have to perform in the orchestra (and the hall) until the beginning of Febuary. However, I am itching to hear how my changed sound is in our hall. It has to be amazing. Your material has added wonderfully valuable understandings to my comprehension of what constitutes excellent quality brass player and has beautifully simplified my means of effectively communicating it to my students. There has been a lot of belly laughter, stunned ears and broad smiles in my teaching studio this week. I'm teaching a course to amateur wind and brass players next year and am looking forward to applying your teachings to this particular situation for the benefit of the people attending. Thanks a million. This is one of the few times in my life where I've been gladly reeling and with a huge smile on my face.
http://www.andrewjoy.com2007 - Maureen StevensonCafe Manager, Nottingham, UKAttended Course : Belief Craft MP3 Set
"As a person who has never attended any NLP or KE Sessions before, I have found the whole experience useful to me and feel that I am going away with a wealth of knowledge I believe will guide me through many areas of my life. I am excited about attending more trainings in the future."
2005 - Howard WolfMiami, FLAttended Course : Persuasion Summit
PTPS was absolutely the best training in persuasion I've ever experienced. Chris' skills in NLP and persuasion are a compilation of the best of Richard Bandler, Kenrick Cleveland, & Michael Hall, all combined. Chris has evolved these techniques, enhanced them, and repackaged persuasion for the new millenium. Chris has tested his techniques thousands of times through the thousands of telemarketers he's managed over the years. This seminar will go down in the annuls of NLP history.
2001