NLP Practitioner Certification Trainings - 1998 Chat Transcript
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IRC Chat Log, September 20, 1998
NLP Practitioner Trainings! | |
Jonathan | Hi folks! And welcome to the chat! This is a special night... because over the course of the next couple of hours, I wanted to do a chat with you folks about what NLP Practitioner Trainings offer... what they represent... where they've come from, and where they may be going... And answer some questions as well -- if we can -- about your preconceptions or understandings of what a Practitioner training can do for people! So to get started, I know our long-term reading audience represents a WIDE variety of NLP Training backgrounds -- some of you may be NLP Master Practitioner... some Practitioners already. Some of you are experienced yet still may not yet have taken a certification training.... And there may even be a few completely new NLP students out there! Whichever you may be -- you may hear things in this chat that spark new ideas for you... new ways of looking at new skills.... old skills... and ways of integrating old & new together perhaps... such that you might find yourself being able to approach a problem area in your life with new creativity, & new resources! Would that be useful? |
Sunev, Rondesgr, _Stile_ | Yes! |
Jonathan | OK... well... let's start... at the end... Imagine yourself... at the end of a training having lasted perhaps a couple of weeks. You've finished the course. Everything seems different, somehow. You've got a grin on your face from ear to ear! Every sentence the other students share with you comes with a wink... a nod... a knowing that there are different ways to hear *everything* being said... a knowing that you have greater control over your own emotional states than you can recall ever having -- though thats not entirely true... much of what you've learned made sense at an internal level -- in many cases it was bringing out skills in you that you may have had once as a child... or perhaps -- skills in you that you've been able to exhibit in ONE type of situation... but as yet been unable to APPLY those skills effectively in a structurally different situation... so now... you're thinking of your beliefs and skills... you're imagining your capabilities as being above the specifics of circumstances and time and place and state... and everything feels open to you -- new ideas... new PLANS... a knowledge that you're going to be able to set new goals and outcomes -- and know the difference along with a WIDE variety of possible steps to take in an effort to achieve those outcomes for yourself... and maybe, JUST maybe, you might... giggle to yourself at how flexibly you KNOW you're going to have found yourself behaving as problems arise for you in your future! Now, from my perspective, I think thats one of the best things about it! Wouldn't that be an incredible state to be in? Now, as I think about all the different ways to build all that in so that it can stay with you for the rest of your life... in a way that'll make you smile on the inside out... I wonder how curious that might make you about how much you KNOW you can learn to learn differently and make something new of yourselves and of your skills...! So! If you're curious... if you're really intensely curious... And if you know how to grin!!! Then we can think back to the beginning of the training... and wonder... REALLY wonder... how did it all fit into place? What was my decision process for actually deciding to take the training? What did I expect? SO! How many licensed practitioners do we have here tonight? |
tranzpupy, thefool | Me... |
Sunev | Not me |
rondesgr | Does potential count? |
Jonathan | Sure! Though the next question applies to trained folks... To those two, I'd ask you -- How did you decide to take the training? Once you were already considering it -- What made you say "yes?" |
tranzpupy | You. |
Jonathan | What *internal* cues ;) |
tranzpupy | I felt this powerful YES! feeling at the back of my head... |
thefool | Wow, i can feel that feeling even now, the amazement of the strength of the system, and the curiosity to know the what's and how's... and it flows from the middle of the chest upwards with heat and spicy feeling |
Jonathan | Good answer, Mik! And after you'd decided, you probably had certain expectations & outcomes, right? What might those have been? |
thefool | Hey, now that tranzpupy said that, I do have a feeling on the back of my head too ... that I've just noticed... its like where the feeling from the chest concentrates to, exactly on the bone of the cerebellum :) hmmmm.... not quite... I left all the expectations in the doorway ... :) I said to myself "Que Sera Sera," and man it was wild! |
tranzpupy | Yup, that's it! |
Jonathan | So Mik put his expectations aside and just went with it, eh? You just decided to take that ride! |
tranzpupy | Me too. I just showed up, naked in my expectations... |
Jonathan | LOL! |
thefool | Well that's what they said to do, so I said to myself, for once in your life, do as they say. |
Jonathan | I recall having my own expectations when going to my own first Practitioner training. Wow, my head was spinning! I wanted to be shown how to physically experience NLP -- Doing it through what I learned from books was useful but it wasn't like a full-body sport! And I got that! I had heard about all these things -- I'd heard about Anchoring and had played with the skills. I had heard about various language patterns but it didn't make sense in any kind of cohesive way yet. I had heard about various NLP skills/tools and did not at the time feel confident that I was "doing it right." Turns out, there's no right & wrong, really... There's only more & less effective, and there are a LOT of more effective ways to do things. Taking an NLP Practitioner training is about getting a LOT of those effective ways locked into your behavior in a powerful, cohesive way. |
thefool | I guess, thinking about it, that you can't leave all the expectations at the door... I guess I did bring in some expectations, to learn new and interesting things... to learn! |
Jonathan | If a Trainer shows you one way, it isn't the only way and it isn't necessarily the best way for you! |
SteveBoy | After reading one book on NLP, I hired a trainer and put together group of 25 people, myself, to share the cost. |
Jonathan | That's great Steve! |
tranzpupy | No right and wrong, but important is that feeling that you *know* what you're doing... even when you don't know what you're doing. |
Jonathan | So, Mik & Tranz... Is that how you experienced your first training? |
tranzpupy | I dunno... I was in trance the whole time... just kidding! Yes, it's much different DOING it. What amazes me is how much a part of me it is now.... four months later... and growing and growing... |
thefool | Yes and no. I loved each and every moment; it was like enjoying each and every bite of an ice cream cone... that melts slowly in your mouth introducing you with new and refreshing cooling tastes .. |
Jonathan | People.... get me on the phone, right? Now when they call... Sometimes I'll use a pattern -- sometimes without thinking about it -- its so ingrained, and if you learn & internalize some of these language patterns, it will be more effective coming back out than the haphazard use of language would have been. |
SteveBoy | Integration of behavior, rather than intellectual knowledge, is the key to success with NLP! |
Jonathan | I agree Steve! |
rondesgr | Tranz, sometime I would like to hear how it has helped you as a consultant. |
Jonathan | Hey Ron, what a great question! And, it has helped her! We can answer that later, though. But for now -- lets go a step further... Having imagined the end of the training together here tonight... and then gone back to evaluate our decision strategies and our preconceptions... Lets jump into the 1st day or segment of the training. In fact, you jump first! All of you! Jump! Because... YOU go first! |
tranzpupy | JUMP! |
John & Kathleen La Valle join in... | |
NLPSGI | Hello! G'day mates! |
Jonathan | Hi, Kathleen La Valle! Welcome again to our humble chat abode! |
thefool | Shalom Kathleen! :) |
NLPSGI | Thank you. |
Jonathan | You might recognize "SteveBoy" as Steve Boyley... |
SteveBoy | Hello there |
NLPSGI | Topic tonite or free for all? |
Jonathan | Topic is "NLP Practitioner Trainings!" I've already led them through visualizing the end of the training. :) Now we're back to the beginning and thinking about the 1st day... |
NLPSGI | Cool maybe I should try one! *lol* |
tranzpupy | DOLPHINS!! |
thefool | Endolphins! Start-dolfins! |
Jonathan | Having already experienced the end of the training, knowing now what you might about what you don't yet KNOW you're going to be doing better... It could be time to think about the kinds of attitudes and mindsets that are useful for approaching the mastery of NLP skills.... |
SteveBoy | Everyday is the first day... |
NLPSGI | Of the rest of your life! |
Jonathan | EVERYDAY is the 1st DAY! I love it. And besides, the training begins when the training ends, eh? |
tranzpupy | Thats true! And when you take another weekend or something... you see yourself as you were when you started the Practitioner training. And how you were after, and realize how far you've come, and how much FUN it was, and how much you learned... and how you DOUBLE IT! |
Jonathan | Gosh I almost wanna chunk way up and say "NLP Practitioner trainings" are like learning to be a kid again, when all the senses were WAY opened up... when you physically interacted with life around you in a powerful way... and when EVERYTHING was so much fun...." But then, I won't, because you won't imagine that twice as powerfully as you did when I would have been saying it, so lets just leave that where it is and mooooove on! |
Sunev | :-) |
Jonathan | You meet up with allll kinds of people in your life, right? And they behave differently, don't they! |
NLPSGI | Oh, yeah! |
Jonathan | As you will ;) |
Sunev | :-) |
Jonathan | And sometimes, they aren't in completely conscious control over the kinds of responses they give you. Well, sometimes that's true of us too -- and one of the 1st things you might think about is -- if you're going to blame other people for responding the way they do -- guess what! You'd have been giving up the capability you ALREADY have to change their responses. But if you were to... take a little more responsibility and notice a little more about what kinds of responses they're giving you -- who knows -- maybe they'll hand you a key to their minds! |
SteveBoy | That's like taking an NLP Practitioner course before you take an NLP Master Practitioner course |
Jonathan | LOL! I should think so! |
SteveBoy | Should think what? |
Jonathan | Well, I won't say, I don't want to em-bare-ass you. But hey -- its not as though they won't learn about how to be artfully ambiguous.... Or artfully ambidextrous, right? Then whats left? |
tranzpupy | I don't quite understand what you're saying, but I agree!! |
SteveBoy | I never went to the Practitioner course first! I thought it might be limiting to believe I was not ready for Master Practitioner. |
thefool | I also haven't done the Practitioner course yet, only Master Practitioner. |
Jonathan | Hmmm. Well, Practitioner isn't a pre-requisite for Master Practitioner! I think of Practitioner as being more about the SELF, and Master Practitioner as being more about how to use the skills in business and with other people to master modeling skills, etc. That isn't the only way understand it, but it's how I think about it. |
Sunev | So you went for it all at once, Steve? |
SteveBoy | You bet |
Jonathan | Hi, John La Valle! ;) |
PureNLP | Hello, mate. |
Jonathan | We have the whole family on here now! |
PureNLP | Oh no. |
SteveBoy | Hello |
Jonathan | The La Valles, fresh back from a FULL DHE™ course in Cairns, Australia! How was that Great Barrier Reef and the Rainforest? |
tranzpupy | You guys just go back from down under? Lucky Aussies! |
NLPSGI | Way cool! |
PureNLP | Ahhhhh!! Gotta do it, again. |
NLPSGI | And again! |
SteveBoy | I bet down-under felt like being on top |
PureNLP | :) |
Sunev | So, how do you keep that vacation feeling with you? |
NLPSGI | Everyday is a vacation, we take work breaks! |
tranzpupy | I just open my vacation mind like an umbrella when I leave the house... |
What Expectations to set up for NLP Practitioner Training? | |
Jonathan | Alrighty folks -- shall we hop back on track? And if we did, how far would we have to hop? Let's ask John & Kathleen La Valle what *they* think about the NLP Practitioner Training! With you, and from your perspective... what should people look forward to... what can they begin now to expect of themselves? Apart from More, More, Better, and Ecstacy! |
thefool | Should people look forward to anything? And why look forward when we can look all over? |
NLPSGI | Good point Fool, I think people over prepare! I suggest going in with an open mind and a sense of humor! |
PureNLP | That's the first step. |
NLPSGI | Many people ask us "what should I read?" "what should I practice beforehand?" They apologize for not much experience. I say that puts them ahead of the experts! The ones who think they know already! |
tranzpupy | LOL!!! |
SteveBoy | Ha Ha Ha |
thefool | They will be the ones who will really learn NEW things! |
NLPSGI | I still am amazed when I am at a training as to what I learn each time |
Sunev | Everybody can *still* learn something |
SteveBoy | Anything |
Sunev, thefool | Everything |
thefool | Great minds learn alike ;) |
Sunev | We're all agreed then! |
PureNLP | Too many people think about prac training as learning to use NLP with others. It's not. It's about going first. Otherwise, how could they know what to do without having their own experience first? Then, its about learning to ask the right questions... |
NLPSGI | It is a good idea to do a personal inventory of all your resources and all of what you want to improve. We issue the application that walks them through this process! |
Sunev | What does it say? |
NLPSGI | It is a list of questions that helps them do the above inventory that I mentioned. |
SteveBoy | I did not find the kind of distinctions between Practitioner and Master Practitioner that you have Jonathan. |
Jonathan | Ahhh? Let's talk about that, Steve! We were both at John & Richard's 1997 Summer concurrent Prac/Master Practitioner training together in Hollyweird, right? During the first two days... when only the Master Practitioner candidates were present... Richard & John boosted OUR perceptual skills, attitudes... and got us thinking along different lines... did you not, John? (I love those rhetorical Questions!) |
PureNLP | Master Practitioner is precisely that: about mastering the practitioner skills. It isn't about some *higher* level skills, that's a bunch of hype. Richard Bandler didn't envision *higher* level skills. |
Jonathan | Meanwhile as the Practitioners showed up... we were being primed to look for and do MORE than the practitioners are expected to do, with & within the same skills & exercises! |
SteveBoy | Both tracks ran currently which allowed the extra Master Practitioner information to turn the Practitioner track into a multi-level experience |
NLPSGI | We give to the Practitioners all they can handle, and more! |
Jonathan | That you do! It's amazing sensory overload! |
FullStop | I seem to recall Richard Bandler saying that its a different skill set. |
NLPSGI | We do not believe in holding back and saying "that is a Master Prac skill, you need to pay us more money to learn that!" If you are ready to master the skills then you go on to master prac. If not, then you take the skills that you develop in the Practitioner training, and go be happy. |
tranzpupy | I love sensory overload. It's so... so... overloading... |
Jonathan | The ability to model is taught at your prac trainings. Though the Master Practitioners are doing more -- LEADING the practitioners through the exercises often... |
NLPSGI | Some groups do not teach timeline in prac! That is ridiculous! It is insulting to think it is a master skill above someone's head. |
Sunev | Why don't they? I think timeline is helpful stuff to know! |
NLPSGI | Hey sometimes it is! *lol* |
thefool | As i understood it, Practitioner training was to learn to drive, and Master Practitioner training was to understand more about the nuts and bults of the car..and to learn to drive |
NLPSGI | Above someone's head... get it? LOL! |
SteveBoy | Ha Ha Ha |
NLPSGI | Putting the pedal to metal and sparks off the guardrail! |
_Stile_ | Full tilt booooogieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! |
tranzpupy | Whooops. Sparks. Trance. |
Sunev | Sparks'll do that for some people! |
tranzpupy | John does it to me with that sparks quote.... oooo |
thefool | Hey try bungy jumping using your timelines and bungy jump off it and on it .... its quite fun |
FullStop | Afterburners on NOW! ;-) |
SteveBoy | Motivational metal sparks! |
Sunev | Click click -- that's the safety coming off! |
NLPSGI | Practitioner training is about opening up the doors! Making things aware. Building acuity. Making unconscious processes more controllable and resourceful. |
SteveBoy | Well, training with John & Richard certainly did that, Kathleen! |
PureNLP | Listening between the presuppositions! |
What will people get from, & be able to do after NLP Practitioner Training? | |
Jonathan | I'm curious.... what others here think new NLP students should expect that they'll be able to DO with their NLP Practitioner skills once they've already taken the training? |
NLPSGI | Ooooooooooo |
tranzpupy | Trance strangers through the floor! |
Sunev | Get more JOY outta life? |
tranzpupy | Make people smile. Make more money! |
Jonathan | Definitely, make more money & make people smile and get more JOY outta life... |
tranzpupy | Find out what your clients want... really... |
tranzpupy | Find out how to FOCUS on what you need to do... |
SteveBoy | To change the world we must first change ourselves. |
Thor | Start to begin to discover an infinite variety of possibilities |
PureNLP | Yeah yeah!! |
Sunev | Overload!!! |
FullStop | Rule the world!!! HAHAHAHA!!! |
PureNLP | The universe. |
NLPSGI | Fullstop, that's right -- rule your world! |
FullStop | :-) |
tranzpupy | Something that will SURPRISE and DELIGHT you!!! |
PureNLP | Over and over again! |
rondesgr | As a newbie, I want to be directly more resourceful and helpful. |
thefool | Using your mind to run your brain instead of using drugs to run it. |
tranzpupy | Learn how to *enjoy* doing some of the things you gotta do anyway!! Learn how to change out of an unresourceful state in the BLINK of an I! |
_Stile_ | Learn to hallucinate holographic grids around people that show the location of their "good decision" and "bad decision" submodalities :) |
FullStop | Learning to run your brain. |
PureNLP | My brain? |
FullStop | Hey who's driving the bus anyway? ;-) |
Sunev | Your brain |
PureNLP | Not my brain, I have a runaway brain! |
NLPSGI | Look out! Runaway brain! Jump! |
PureNLP | Off the track, again! |
thefool | Runanyway brain? |
Sunev | Get off the tracks everybody! |
FullStop | Hey there are no brakes on this brain...OH NO! |
tranzpupy | I don't want a braked brain! |
NLPSGI | Only good breaks |
PureNLP | So what do some of you want to have had accomplished at the end of a Practitioner training? |
Sunev | FUN! |
thefool | A built in police speed detector.. |
FullStop | Get more control over personal resources, and be able to leverage them. |
tranzpupy | I want to radiate light! |
Thor | You do, Kay! |
tranzpupy | Mmmm. Thank you... |
thefool | I want what I got then and there, and now and here :) |
_Stile_ | I want to automagically attract money |
Sunev | Automagically! |
PureNLP | The $$ thing, eh? |
_Stile_ | I want what nobody got yet! |
PureNLP | What's that? |
FullStop | Be able to build powerfull states for learning, and for action (thats what I want out of it, but thats just my nutty outcome)! ;-) |
thefool | One thing i lerned was that $$ is a side effect of great fun and helpfulness |
Thor | Helps to attract money after an NLP Practitioner training... So you can pay for master prac! |
_Stile_ | Yeah, thor! |
Thor | Worked for me! |
PureNLP | Money is the outcome of the outcome, it's the result of doing certain behaviors successfully. |
tranzpupy | I *did* attract money after prac training.... over half again what I was earning! And I'm saving for Bandler in Chicago, and LaValle-Bandler in Austin... |
FullStop | Hooked on NLP worked for me! |
PureNLP | Do the right things for the right reason at the right time and bingo - $$$$$ |
Jonathan | It's one thing to just believe you can earn more money, but after you've found yourself doing certain things effectively.... that's where you get more consistent results! |
PureNLP | And successfully |
SteveBoy | The secret to success is to do what you must do, when you must do it, whether you like it or not. |
Sunev | So you might as well like it! |
Thor | Learn to LOVE it! |
SteveBoy | With an attitude that work is play. |
The Birth of a Training on NLP & Making Money! | |
PureNLP | I find that many many people learn the prac skills, then don't how to make themselves $$$ with them. |
FullStop | Now I would also be interested in THAT! |
Jonathan | Ooooh John... where are you going with this...? |
PureNLP | Hey, Jonathan, maybe you and I can do something about this. |
Jonathan | Hmmmm... |
Thor | NOW... Please? |
Jonathan | Well, lets see, John... You mean, you & I could do a seminar together on ... making money with NLP skills? OOooooh... now that would be reaaaally cool... |
PureNLP | Let's just take a look at our schedules for next year and find a slot to do something. I have lots of info people have been just begging for, and I know you do too. |
tranzpupy | WOW $$$$$$$ Yes! Yes! Yes! |
FullStop | Now THAT would be major cool. |
Sunev | Great idea! |
Jonathan | Yes, I have lots of great info too, actually... :) Sounds GREAT. But I don't know if these folks want it powerfully enough! |
Sunev | We DOOOOOOO!!!! |
FullStop | WHAT?!!! |
tranzpupy | Pleeeeeeeze, Jonathan.... Pleeeeeeeze, John, I want it! |
PureNLP | We could probably enlist another $$-making NLP'er to join in. But we'd have to talk first, you & me. |
Jonathan | Sure, makes sense! |
Thor | I'm wondering just how quickly you guys could make this happen! |
Jonathan | Hmmm |
PureNLP | We'll get together privately. |
NLPSGI | Oh no, not all those secrets about marketing & customer statisfaction & making business easier & sales & etc. |
tranzpupy | Customer satisfaction!!! |
NLPSGI | Yeah the kind that keeps them so happy that they will sell for you! |
Jonathan | Sounds good! I'll see you in Cancun. |
PureNLP | I'll definitely be in Cancun. |
Sunev | Don't give away the secrets! |
Jonathan | LOL Venus! |
Sunev | :-) |
FullStop | Yeah, make us crawl naked thru broken glass to get them. |
NLPSGI | You know, joy and satisfaction is very contagious |
Sunev | Yep -- it can be |
PureNLP | Better than fire! |
Sunev | No fire -- no glass |
PureNLP | I think it's better to take the dare... and just walk through the money place instead! |
Sunev | The money place! Yes! That's *too* easy! |
NLPSGI | That's like that place -- the Money Store! Think about that! |
Jonathan | I wonder how synergistic a seminar on making $$$ in business consulting, using concrete NLP skills, would be ... on top of an NLP Practitioner or NLP Master Practitioner training... |
FullStop | Oh now that would be the stuff. |
PureNLP | Synergistic? That's one of those 70's words. I'm starting to feel like John Revolting! |
NLPSGI | loop da loop |
Jonathan | Well, I had to go to Esalen to learn it. I felt naked. |
PureNLP | You probably were! Did ya look? |
Jonathan | Aw damn, I didn't before, but ya just made me! |
Thor | All the skills integrated and aligned toward making money? |
tranzpupy | Naw.... It's not going to work.... You'll never get a place big enough to hold all the people who'd want to come... |
Jonathan | OK we can figure out venues & schedules & things later! |
Sunev | Yay! And we were here when you thunk it all up! |
More Discussion of Desired Outcomes | |
Jonathan | Let's open the conversation back up to something else now! Is there anyone here who has further questions about the NLP Practitioner training right now? |
rondesgr | Yes, Jonathan. Have you guys thought about franchising? |
PureNLP | Yes, & no. |
Thor | Can a full Practitioner training be accomplished in 7 days? |
PureNLP | Depends on who you are and if ya know what you're doin'! |
Jonathan | Richard's done a couple of week-long Practitioner trainings in the UK. But who else can train as quickly and across as many multiple levels? There's that thing you have to think about in terms of how quickly many habits get built. I.e. if you immerse yourself... |
tranzpupy | Why would you want only 7 days? I wanted 21 --- 31 === never wanted it to stop! |
thefool | Same here, tranz...! |
Thor | How much of a Practitioner training's learnings are discovered after the training ends? |
Jonathan | WOW! That's a GREAT question! |
PureNLP | Thor, it depends on how open your mind is going in... |
tranzpupy | My mind is so open there's a DRAFT! |
Sunev | LOL! |
Tomo | What should be the expectations skill-wise for a Practitioner training? |
PureNLP | Tomo, sensory acuity first. It's THE most important skill! |
tranzpupy | And not the easiest. |
SteveBoy | I found it took a full year to consciously code what I had learned. |
PureNLP | Tomo, hang in there with me, mate. |
NLPSGI | Precision with your communication - words and language |
PureNLP | Sensory acuity first! It's THE most important. And we cannot spend enough time on it. Most people internalize the skills. Gotta output what's input! |
NLPSGI | That is the importance of doing the exercises. |
rondesgr | Hmmm, it sounds like it wouldn't hurt to take these courses twice. |
Jonathan | Ron, definitely true, sometimes taking another Practitioner training is a good thing. |
thefool | Only buy practice practice practice, do you get good results! |
PureNLP | If we cannot look, see, hear, feel, smell taste, etc., then we cannot expect to pay much attention to WHAT THE CLIENT IS DOING, SAYING, ETC. |
Jonathan | Personally I'd recommend you train with several different trainers. |
PureNLP | One, first, so you don't get confused! |
Jonathan | LOL! Agreed. I say that to suggest they give themselves a richer set of experiences upon which to draw! |
PureNLP | I disagree, Jonathan. |
Jonathan | How so? |
PureNLP | Experience the experiences with clients! That's where you'll really learn. How someone else does it is just an example. Too many examples and we'll have more monkeys! After you have some experience, then go to other trainers, but I must admit, for Practitioner stuff, be sure to put Richard Bandler early on your list. |
NLP Practitioner Audio Tapesets | |
rondesgr | Would listening to the Practitioner sessions on tape be worthwhile? |
tranzpupy | There's a Practitioner training on audio tapes advertised on http://www.purenlp.com... and a friend told me it's pretty good. I was impressed with how much he'd learned... |
PureNLP | But it's not meant to replace any training. |
rondesgr | I understand that, PureNLP! |
PureNLP | Well, gosh, they are good. |
NLPSGI | The Practitioner tape-sets are resources for before during or after but not to replace the experience. |
Jonathan | GET THEM! |
PureNLP | Thanks, Jonathan. Maybe we'll also tape next year, eh? |
rondesgr | Until I can acquire the cash though ... audio would seem to be a good start. |
PureNLP | Ron: They're a good start. Mostly because there's a lot of interaction with the audience, so you can learn from that, not just the asshole lecturing. |
rondesgr | Can I ask a 'consumer reports' question then, is John's set a better investment than NLP Comprehensive? |
tranzpupy | Ron: Yes. Yes. Yes. |
rondesgr | :) Thanks! |
tranzpupy | ron: Of course, Jonathan's prac training in *person* would be even better! |
Jonathan | LOL |
rondesgr | LOL... I know Tranz, but Jonathan doesn't have that on audio yet... |
Choosing a Trainer from the Marketplace | |
Thor | If you're a novice, HOW do know a great trainer from a less-than-glorious one? |
PureNLP | Thor, glory has nothing to do with it, it's results that count. |
Thor | The question still stands; HOW do you know a good trainer from a quack, as a rookie? |
Sunev | It's a good question. |
PureNLP | The info is in the marketplace, that's a fair answer. |
rondesgr | Good question, thor!! There isn't a rating system, is there? |
Jonathan | John is ON the money --- the info is IN the marketplace -- Caveat emptor. |
PureNLP | The quacks will sound like quacks. If it's too good to be true, it is, thor. |
NLPSGI | It is about being able to alter your perception and have flexibility. |
Jonathan | I have a metric for this ... that *I* used -- maybe you'll find it useful, maybe not. Research trainers who are getting great results & reports from not only students, but ALSO other trainers! I figured -- that would get me names of people who basically concentrated on doing great work -- |
PureNLP | And get results and who help others learn to get results. |
Jonathan | YES! And on staying out of the bullshit. |
rondesgr | That's my kind of people. |
FullStop | I would say hang out and read, talk to people who've been to trainings. After a while, your BS detector becomes more sensitive, and it become pretty clear who sucks and who doesn't. |
PureNLP | Here are some criteria: How long have they been in the marketplace? How approachable are they? Do they do whatever it takes? Do they hang in there with you? If they say things like, "don't worry about it, your unconscious got it anyway," they're full of crap! Do they make you laugh because they understand the chemicals it takes to learn? Do they really walk their talk? Do they USE the technology while teaching it? Are their eyes and ears open? There are more, but this is a good start! |
Jonathan | I think its pretty useful as long as they don't make NLP Convoluted. |
Sunev | Good list John |
Tomo | Thanks, john. |
Jonathan | Used to be (from what I *hear*) the trainings were so much about the language patterns. It seems so much more cohesive now, involving ALL your communication, not just the words. |
tranzpupy | Heres a couple of really good reasons to go to Jonathan's Prac trainings: |
PureNLP | He's wonderful |
tranzpupy | Yes, that too |
FullStop | Cuz Kay sez so? |
PureNLP | He knows his stuff. He knows how to get inside your mind, too! |
tranzpupy | I never lie |
Jonathan | I often lie down. But I tell the truth up! |
tranzpupy | Because he is really GOOD |
PureNLP | Jonathan treats everyone with the respect they deserve. |
tranzpupy | and because I said so. |
Thor | Tranzpupy, I think it's the QUALITY of Jonathan's training that will get them to come! |
_Stile_ | I think it's the fact that jonathan installs in you -- his own learning strategies -- which have been complimented by Richard Bandler :) |
rondesgr | LOL ..... ok ok, I'll sell the wife and kids and quit my job and I'll be there. |
PureNLP | Jon does it right. |
Jonathan | Who KNOWS how much money they'll make between my training and yours? Talk about motivation. Wow, I hadn't considered that sequence. That would be a kick-butt combination! My prac training... followed by some integration & money-making -- followed by PERSUASION ENGINEERING & the Meta Master Track... |
A little Presidential Humor! | |
Jonathan | I watched the news earlier -- they started with a story on Bill Clinton, of course... then... they said "And... More on Bill later." "Moron Bill later." I thought that was fitting! |
Sunev, _Stile_, PureNLP, FullStop, SteveBoy | LOL! |
tranzpupy | Check out this web site http://www.rawilson.com. Robert Anton Wilson has some comments about the President up on his site now. |
disguised | It's amazing how many people don't like him here anymore! |
PureNLP | The other day, "Bill" said, "we're doing all we can to be the leader in foreign affairs," then blushed! |
Jonathan | LMAO! |
NLPSGI | It is too funny they are talking about the coverage blow by blow! |
tranzpupy, FullStop | LOL! |
Sunev | Blow by blow! |
Jonathan | LOL Kathleen! |
NLPSGI | That is what the news guy said!!! |
PureNLP | Maybe bill will be brought to his knees, then he'll know how it feels! |
FullStop | Blow by blow coverage, I love it. |
PureNLP | They asked Bill if he was lying. He said: no I was standing, she was kneeling. |
FullStop | Everyone agrees that if she'd only kept her mouth shut, none of this would've happened. ;-) |
tranzpupy | LOL!!! |
PureNLP | ROFLMAO |
Wrapping Up | |
Jonathan | I'm glad you all came tonight; I enjoyed this chat on NLP Practitioner Trainings... Some of you seem to have enjoyed it a LOT more |
NLPSGI | I did not come out, what are you trying to start? |
Jonathan | ...or may be still in the closet |
PureNLP | Come out, who came out? What'd I miss? |
tranzpupy | Well, some of us did... see, I merged some really HOT states with getting something done that I'm doing... and I've been doing it during the chat... So I wonder when now is a good time to sign up for the practitioner traing... |
PureNLP | Really, for those of you who are going to Jon's training, it's GREAT!! For those of you who haven't decided, yet, stop being so selfish and go learn things that will help you help others in a very meaningful way |
Sunev | :-) |
Jonathan | Thanks for the reference, John! |
PureNLP | :) I hate it when they make excuses for not doing what they know is the right thing. |
thefool | Whenever I decided I want to take a seminar... whenever I got to the point where I really wanted and needed to do it, for my own development in life.... somehow the money was there... |
Jonathan | Hope you had a great trip down under, John & Kathleen! |
NLPSGI | Yeah we had some long talks with the aboriginals. Coolstuff! |
Jonathan | As clean energy as the Indians? |
PureNLP | No |
NLPSGI | Way cool different. I experienced from them something Richard has also taught me about -- everything is trance. It has a new meaning for me in a new way. |
PureNLP | The Aborigines have learned to be capitalists sooner, and still maintain their own stuff. |
Jonathan | Really? Interesting! |
PureNLP | Yeah, many of them can make money being clear. Not all, of course. |
IRC CHAT OVER! |
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